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boehner? two top-tier negotiators give their insight into how the meeting could unfold. >>> and trading places. charles schwab ceo talks exclues i havely to maria about the current crisis of confidence in the stock market. could a deal on the looming fiscal cliff be just the shot in the arm sagging equities need? that and a whole lot more is ahead on the "closing bell." >>> all right. we want to show you a live picture of the white house. we are waiting for the ceos to start tricking out of the white house. they are in a meeting right now with president obama talking about the fiscal cliff, talking about ways to get the deficit and debt situation in this country in order. as soon as those ceos start coming out, they include the ceo of honeywell, ibm, a number of ceos in industrial businesses. of course, the only financial services representation there is american express. no other bank was invited to this meeting. as soon as these guys and gals start walking out, we'll bring you some interviews with them. president obama held a press conference meanwhile today on everything from the fis
, including the most important negotiating partner of all a, house speaker john boehner. >> the framework i've outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. >> i feel very good about what we were able to talk about in there. >> we're prepared to put revenue on the table, provided we fix the real problem. >> i feel confident that a solution may be in sight. >> and in terms of the nature of that solution, what was discussed in the meeting was a two-step process in which the leaders and the white house first agree on a framework, an amount of deficit reduction it, both tax increases and spending cuts, and then they kicked the filling in of those details into the early months of 2013. they would do that with a legislative mechanism that provides some assurance to the american people and to the financial markets, guys, that those blanks would be filled in by the time they need to to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> very big blanks. okay. thank you very much. david, a couple words we've heard here are hopeful and encouraged. are you feeling more
. rich: they are not offering very many specifics this early on. we do have a ways to go. john boehner did offer framework. the framework would have tax and entitlement targets, revenue targets, spending targets, that this year in the next couple months. congress would work out the details in 2013. both leaders from both parties and both houses say it is time to get to work. >> we will continue to have revenue on the table. we are serious. we are serious about cutting spending and solving our fiscal problems. >> we will do it now. we feel very comfortable with each other. this is not something we will wait until the last day of december to get it done. rich: they met for a little longer than an hour here at the white house. much of the talk was positive. there really is not anything close to specifics right now coming from anyone in all of this. here he read and nancy pelosi really did not mention entitlement at all. rich o'connell highlighted the fact that his conference in the senate believes that this country does not have a taxing problem, it has a spending problem. there are still
with boehner next year. talk to us about how your plan works. >> the interesting thing is if you look at the amount of income tax paid, it's about $1.3 trillion. 1. 1 from individuals, 200 billion from corporations. people always ask how can our marginal rates be so nominally high and net so little money. the reason is we have $1.1 trillion of back door spending in the tax code. that's for deductions for credits. what we said is, look, let's wipe out all of those. let's broaden the base, simplify the code. let's use 92% of that money that we're using from getting rid of the tax expenditures to reduce income tax rates and 8% of the money or about $100 billion a year, to reduce the deficit. $800 billion a year over ten years is where our $1 trillion of our $4 trillion comes from in our deficit reduction plan. >> and what rate are you going change? 8%, you know, 0 to 70 grand. 14 over that. take the corporate rate to 36. if you can't do that, you can't tax your way out of this. you can't cut spending your way out of this. you can't grow your way out of this. so grab hold. it's going to b
uncertainty despite the president's comments and john boehner's comments. cheryl: we're looking at what we've been seeing over the last couple of months and you are saying kind of be prepared for that. a lot of the guests have come on and said you know, there's problems with earnings, but also you can't ignore that spike to the down side after the election. what did you make of all of that last week? what did you read into that? >> well, i mean, heading into the election, there was a lot of sentiment that the the market, the financial markets would have preferred a republican winner. cheryl: sure. fiscally more responsible if their view. -- in their view. >> correct. there's a few there's a lot of financial regulation presently and more to come. a lot of that at least from professional investors is probably where they were on wednesday. cheryl: they were waiting to see. >> i think that's going to settle off. i don't think you will see 300 point swings. you might see back again -- i'm quoting that period of july and august 2011, you could see 100, 150 on any given day, maybe a little bit ou
boehner, basically had a deal in place, it ended up getting blown up at the last minute. i think there is a, perhaps, a new conciliation on both sides. i think they were waiting for the election to get over. i think the attitudes are positive on both sides. and i think they've got the framework for a deal already set up from last year. so i don't think that there are any closer but i also don't think they were that far away last year in 2011. >> do you think that closing the loopholes would be enough for a deficit reduction package? >> it doesn't appear that that's going to raise enough revenue to get to where the democrats want that to be. republicans say they don't want to raise rates. there are some -- there's some budget chicanery that can go on in terms of dealing with one baseline instead of another baseline. that's what it looked like boehner wanted to do last year. there are a lot of different options here. it's interesting, bill kristol from the weekly standard appeared to be talking to grover norquist, the anti-tax activist in those comments that he played earlier, talk
's about to happen in this building in an hour from now. speaker boehner, senator mcconnell, senator reid, democratic leader pelosi, all will come here and speak for a couple hours. day one of negotiations. nobody is expecting huge news but as jim has already tweeted out this morning, the market is going to look for signs that this tone of compromise that we've heard so much about all week long is that for real or are talks going to break down in early stages? the market specifically is going to depend on that tone today and we'll bring that live when the meeting happens a little after 10:00 a.m. >> we've seen reaction of futures to the possibility of a deal. we've been down for six of the past seven days but the dow this morning implied open is up 33 points. sapp looks s&p looks to add fiv. here we have italy down three-quarter percent and mixed bag for the rest. carl? okay. we're going to go to the road map this morning. that is where carl is in washington d.c. reports this morning that hard decisions surrounding deficit reduction could be kicked down the road until 2013 in favor of a s
't be enough of those to block passage. speaker boehner will put a coalition together of moderate companies, even some conservative republicans along with democrats to get a deal that has some increased revenue probably in marginal rate increases, also some deduction closing loophole closing, probably corporate tax rates will change tick lei larly on carried interest. he will sell it to enough people through the house while not risk it to those who have races in 2014 who might get a primary. he won't get so many defections he won't get a deal across. we shouldn't jump to the conclusion because there are still hard-line conservatives no-tax increase republicans in the house that they dominate now, they don't dominate. >> ben white, interesting analysis. >>> just heard ben white thinks we're going to get a deal done but right now america's economy is still being held hostage. the fact that washington is on vacation -- not helping. eamon javers is live on capitol hill where congress isn't. eamon. >> that's right. look behind me. see if you see any members of congress. they're not here, they're
'll play their hand i think to their full advantage. >> what kind of hand does john boehner have? where sg it leave him and his ability to control the tea party wing? >> it actually puts skron boehner in a good position because during the debt ceiling talks last year, he had a lot of push back from the very far right of his party in the house. the tea party caucus, for example. this time around we won't see the same dynamic at all because the tea party caucus and far right have lost a lot of political capital in light of the election. so what we've already seen is speaker boehner talking to republicans in the house, putting his foot down early and saying we're not going to have that same push back we saw. instead, i'm going to tell you what we're going to do and what this deal is going to look like and you'll fall into line. >> he got criticism because he negotiated a deal and then went back and tried to sell to the party. does he naed to do he need to d way around, get a set position and then go into discussions? >> i think that is the thinking this time around. and he has certainly recog
of avoiding the fiscal cliff. he'll meet with harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner and nancy pelosi at quarter after 10:00 eastern time. mcconnell says republicans won't raise tax rates. the white house says the president won't sign an extension of tax cuts for top earners. chinese officials including the country's vice minister are sounding alarm bells with external risks to growth. they hope the uts will come to an agreement on tax issues or warns the country could face a slide into deep recession. eunice yoom is taking a closer look at the relationship between the two economic super powers and how they're likely to proceed. >> she's sitting down to her regular taste of americana. she and her co-workers dine out at their favorite fast food joint from the west twice a week, exactly the kind of middle income chinese american companies hope will drive their future growth. >> translator: we're used to eating rice, she says. it's convenient and nice to have fast food once in a while and have a change. american companies are hoping gnaw leadership will make it easier to sell to chinese
are stopping by. all leading up to the meeting on friday. john boehner, harry reid, mitch mcconnell, the same group last year. since that meeting, republicans have been discussing revenue increases. democrats want tax rate increases. republicans say there are other ways to get there like curbing tax deductions. >> this whole notion of capital gains and dividend taxes is really an explicit to pension funds and the ability of moms and pops that are out there to have income producing small capital investments. rich: the president's budget increases the top tax rate from 15 to 20%. meeting friday at the white house. back to you. lori: we know you will be there, rich. thank you. melissa: the president calling on congressional leaders to work together. congress has a voter mandate not to raise taxes. joining us now is steve moore from the "wall street journal." thank you for hopping on the phone to talk to us. i am really interested in the interview that you did. he said over the weekend "let me put it very clearly, i am not willing to turn off taxes for the sequester." >> one of the things that ca
provisions giving you 1.6. the starting point for the administration. john boehner about a year and a half ago stopped about 800 alien dollars worth of revenue through tax reform. republicans won't give a number now but they want tax reform and an overhau overhauled the entirm to generate new revenue. there was talk about this yesterday with treasury secretary commissioner who said to that idea pretty much forgot about it. >> there is a lot of magical thinking about how much money can raise from tax adventures. people will look at that question and concluded i think incorrectly that there is a huge amount of resources. i think that is untrue. >> a dozen of ceos meet with the president and a couple of hours from now after the president's news conference at 1:30. a number of these executives have been to the white house before. members of the export council, jobs council, ceo of of ge, tao, ford, also say what the white house on the different councils in some form or another. cheryl: we will be taken the tae news conference from the president lives and the ceo will have something to chew on
back and forth. you had boehner's position from the -- >> i don't want to anger the viewers, you but i think they're looking at obama's words the same way they look it at the polls with the kind of sense of here's what i want to believe. >> if they lose, do they go along with that and say we will accept that or do they push it over the fiscal cliff. you have people on the right and the left who are saying go over. >> in the press conference yesterday, my read of what obama said was we're raising the rates and we're put a structure for eliminating entitlements. >> correct. but if we're talking about rates, if you were playing joe, you would hear that the argument would be that this will never actually work. republicans won't go loochialon it. so some people were suggesting maybe there is a way to do 35% and get rid of deductions. >> but remember was it geithner on -- today is thursday. so this would have been tuesday. he said people are diluting themselves to think we can get where we need to get with loopholes. and i don't know about the right max, but my understanding is i don't think
heard from speaker john boehner and mitch mcconnell on their position because they will all be here at the white house on friday to get these talks kick started. melissa: thank you so much. lori: estevez houston with a news conference, president obama will be sitting down with a ceos to talk about solutions to avoid the fiscal cliff. rich edson in washington as well the latest developments. >> good afternoon. wrapping in the 2:00 hour, leaves the east room, here to the west wing where he will meet with about a dozen ceos, half of whom are part of the export counselor, jobs council, or they are very familiar with the white house, in particular this white house. the discussion is of the opening offer on taxes, $1.6 trillion in tax increases, most of that tax increases on rate and deductions for those earning more than $250,000 per year. republicans wanted an overhaul of the entire tax system and create revenue through an overhaul of the tax code mostly by getting rid of deductions. saying no to higher rates. that is the risk the treasury secretary shot down. >> there's a lot of magica
there to some degree was house speaker john boehner. ms. mcconnell digging his heels at democrats in the senate digging their heels and the president appears to be doing the same as well, as we will have to see what happens. dagen: what has been the reaction the corporate bond market? this thread has gotten wider, but is that because the yield on the 10-year is falling? >> we have seen some selling take place, corporate are linked to equities to some degree, we've all seen the trade-off they place in equities. there have been several new issues come into the marketplace over the last several days. if you look at a couple of weeks ago they were substantially oversubscribed. if you look at one place where the market has benefited from all of this comic has been muniz. units have reached all-time record lows. a lot of demand take place, certainly all this discussion about tax increases have gotten people worried. also another impact as well, a series of ballot measures that took place last election day, and the ones that were passed were generally bond market friendly. for example in california th
with both speaker boehner and president obama coming out talkital talking about the fiscal cliff. this week we'll see a round of negotiations capped off by a meeting at the white house between congressional leaders and executive branch coming up on friday. where are they going to end up? there are a lot of solutions kicking around town. the final deal is probably going to end up looking like at least one of these different proposals. let me walk you through four of them here so you get a sense of where we might be headed starting with the simpson bowles plan. they would cap the mortgage industry deduction at $400,000. they would also tax capital gains and dividends as ordinary income and they would have the employer sponsored health care exclusion phased out. that would be a big tax increase there. another plan that's floating around out there, you would see mortgage interest deduction limited to $25,000 of interest. capital gains and dividends here also taxed as ordinary income and the state and local tax deduction would be repealed. the gang of six plan is another one that's kicking aroun
points. >> yes, i ran fast, mandy. earlier today, john boehner, the speaker of the house, spoke. the markets spiked. as you hear this sound bite, we're going to show you the dow intraday, what it did, and where you see the spike. it's a spike of more than 100 points. that's when speaker boehner spoke. listen to this. >> i believe that we can do this and avert the fiscal cliff that's right in front of us today. >> is this really what led to today's midday turn around, or was it something else? let's talk about that. quincy crosby joins us. mark spellman and kevin carone. quincy, is it that simple? they came out, they used the word constructive, framework, corner stone, all those positive words, and the market took off. >> absolutely. i was watching the body language when they finished up. they walked together. they didn't separate. the market kept making gains. it was that immediate. >> mark, do you agree? >> yeah, i think it was important. we've been looking for good news. the fact that everyone's heels aren't dug in quite as badly, it's good news and what otherwise has been a b
week of speaker boehner's references to an openness to increasing revenue to the government. whether this was an affirmative desire to do that as a result of a tax reform or sort of a secondary effect of reducing rates and creating more economic growth is a little bit unclear here, but how encouraged are you from the words that the speaker has been saying and that others on the gop side have been saying about an openness really to raising revenue as part of a bargain? >> well, the tone was right. i think that that is something that certainly should be being a flojed. because there is no question when you heard the language after the statement we want to -- we're willing to see new revenues, what speaker boehner said and what the republicans are saying is that in fact the revenues can only come from economic growth. now of course as democrats we also believe in economic growth, growing jobs but we also say that we do need some hard revenues in the short term if we're going to be serious about bringing down this deficit and creating some stability for the business community and for con
. house speaker john boehner called the meeting very constructive. >> i outlined a framework that deals with reforming our tax code and reforming our spending. and i believe the framework that i've outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. >> reporter: to republican leaders balance means some higher tax revenues are paired with reductions in spending and changes in entitlement programs. that's a challenge for democrats, but the president seemed willing to move in that direction. >> our challenge is to make sure that we are able to cooperate together, work together, find some common ground, make some tough compromises, build some consensus to do the peoples business. and what folks are looking for-- and i think all of us agree on this-- is action. >> reporter: speaker pelosi suggested the leaders agree on milestones that will bolster the economy. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. we should show some milestones of success so that confidence can build as
business three. a roller coaster day on wall street. stocks bounced off session lows after john boehner said he had constructive talks with president obama on averting the fiscal cliff of spending cuts and tax hikes. right now, the dow jones is up 43 points. modest gains across the board. meanwhile, shares of penn national are jumping. they also plan to transform into the first gambling real estate investment trust. they plan to go with a tax-free dividend. and all consumers want for christmas is a tablet. the tablet tops this year holidays wish list for adults. consumers are expected to spend an average of 252 bucks on electronics this year. just $6 more than a year ago. now we continue our countdown to the closing bell that liz claman. liz: here is something interesting. today we saw the first ipos in the election. how did it do? let's find out from the coal. reporter: is actually the mascot of the company that we are talking about. i don't think it has anything to do these cute, black labradors. the pricing of the stock was 13 to 15. actually priced at $15. take a look at where it is
candidates. but romney was beaten with a tax plan not dissimilar from the one boehner is currently pushing which is we won't allow taxes to go up, but we will close loopholes and romney lost on that. so there is a sense that obama for the short term has won the argument. >> granted it's a huge issue, but how many people was this election really a verdict on their tax plans? >> well, the argument is that romney often polled very well on competence in the economy, but obama polled much better on understands the needs of people like me. so there's a sense that if it comes down to class and empathy, the democrats have momentum here and the republicans are on the back foot. so in that sense, i think obama has an advantage. on the other hand republicans do have a good case to make when it comes to taxes because something that's not often discussed is that the costs of obama care will start to kick in in 2013. one example, businesses which hire 50th notice ewill face a fine of $40,000 if they don't take on government approved health care insurance. so republicans can argue that when we approach t
what you want to do. connell: even when you listen to john boehner and others coming out, we are making progress. making progress means revenue is on the table. entitlement cuts, presumably, are on the table. >> it depends on what we mean by increased revenue. they have two courts declare principles that place here. number one, do not raise taxes. number two, cut spending. to you. out of revenue either by lowering rates or closing those loopholes? dagen: someone will behave more regardless. >> here is the problem for the republicans. they have lost control of this narrative. it is hard for them to break through. what they really need to be talking about is the spending side of this equation. look, the united states of america does not have a revenue problem. there is plenty of revenue even in this depressed economic state. the problem is spending. you never starve the beast. connell: how do you switch it back? >> this is up to john boehner. it is up to the house republicans. the tea party caucus which is talking about the tax reform and really cutting spending, they are the only people
really intense negotiations and both the president and john boehner in the house --. lori: david, i'm so sorry to interrupt you. we have breaking news. we'll get back to the conversation. we're getting started. the president we are hearing arriving in staten island, an area, hard, hard hit by superstorm sandy. he is is expected to address the press after he speaks with first-responders. you can see the crowd there. a lot of media members looking to grab an interview or comments from the president as he tours sandy's storm-ravaged staten island. all right. let's return to our conversation with mr. west self "the wall street journal.". when we hear from the mr. president we'll return to that. thanks for rolling, david. continue with your comments. you said this was the calm before the storm if you will. >> right. everybody is basically trying to jockey for position, making clear what their opening bid is and trying to make the public thing if this doesn't work out it was the other guy who was reasonable, other guy was unreasonable. lori: what is going to get this thing going? >> right. i t
, it is not going to make a difference. john boehner needs to stand his ground. he needs to say we can bring in more revenue, reform the tax code but won't raise taxes on anyone at this time. if the republican party doesn't stand for something, then they may as well call themselves another set of democrats. charles: the republican party was deemed the party of no for the last couple of years, and i think it hurt them at the polls. do they have to compromise somewhere? >> they will likely have to compromise but where they shouldn't compromise is raising taxes. that's going to affect economic output. even cbo talks about another drop in economic output. our gdp growth -- charles: if they don't raise taxes, how do they do it? what does boehner mean by revenue? >> you have to cut out subsidies. along with that tax reform is necessary so companies can make more money, small businesses. if you make it so they can be better companies, bigger companies, hire more people, even a a part timer, you can't to increase economic output. >> articulate why that's not the solution. explain to people why raising taxes
from john boehner and -- >> yeah, from boehner i am. the president has now painted himself -- painted those guys in to -- how many times has he drawn a line in the sand about that high right on 250. he's made a point and he can't possibly go back on that now, can he? >> i think he can. look, i think he's drawing a line on getting money from those people, there people making 250 and above. but he hasn't drawn a line on how he gets that money. he's said at his news conference i'm skeptical that you can do enough in loopholes and exclusions to get the money that we need for a deal from that group. but he also said i'm open to new ideas. so if there is in fact an effort to close some loopholes that gets you some of the way there, you can certainly see the president, i could anyway, compromising somewhere between 35 and 39.6 on a slightly higher rate. if shall be caomebody came up w source of revenue which didn't change the distribution of the tax burden, figure out a way to do it without a top rate. i kind of expect what's going to happen is loophole closing and you end up at like 37 ors
, does it have to be a combination? >> well, i think speaker boehner has it right where he said we need to look at the whole tax code before we start increasing taxes. so i actually think that needs to be evaluated. so i'm not quite sure where the fiscal cliff is going to go. i'm assuming they are going to as they say kick the can down the road for another couple of months. hopefully they take that time period to lay out a foundation over what they are going to do in order for us to put our fiscal house in order. liz: there is citizen duffy and there is businessman ceo duffy. let's talk about the ceo duffy and how your customers and i want to remind our viewers that you have everyone from farmers who trade on the cme to small traders to billion dollars financial institutions. if we fell off a cliff, how would they be affected? >> well, i think they would be affected in my ways. -- in many ways. what i said earlier, for all these people to go about and do their business. farmers should be worried about the weather and the yield they are going to get in their crops not what's going on on
hurt. >> house speaker john boehner said the only way they will talk revenue is entitlement reform. republicans said what they want from a president is a serious proposal. >> when it comes the great economic challenges of the moment, saying that you want a balanced approach is not a plan. saying people need to pay their fair share isn't a plan. >> business executives come to the white house. a number of other ceos will be here all the way up to that have my meeting with congressional leaders, democrats and republicans coming to the white house to meet with the president on friday. david: thank you very much. chances are if you look something up online you have used wikipedia. coming up, wikipedia cofounder, jimmy wales joining liz claman at the cme global leadership conference. this is an exclusive you do not want to miss. moody's warning of big downgrades. find out which ones and why coming straight up. [ male announcer ] this is the age of knowing what you're made of. why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. ask if your heart is healthy enou
with boehner. but might be the beginning of bargain point. but you get 820 billion. so there's another 800 billion. at this point, the others are saying no cuts to medicare, social security, or anything else. and they have to find another 800 billion. >> the president did not say -- >> we know he has to cut some of those. >> my guess is the gop is saying they're looking at a trillion dollars as the number. >> and you saw what paul ryan said. the house was re-elected. so people re-elected those people in the house for a reason. it's a nonstarter. it's not going to happen. it's not going to be 1.6 billion. 1.6 trillion. to get to four trillion, that would be 2.4. so we said that. he'll go not 3-1 like simpson bowles. he's go one and a half to one. >> that's not going to happen either. >> but what bothers me -- >> the problem is nothing is going to happen. >> what bothers me is i do think you can get to a point where you raise taxes too much and you don't cut spending enough, where you're just funding entitlements by raising taxes and you don't do anything about it. if he had his way, i reall
and house speaker boehner both laying out their demands for a fiscal cliff deal. now we have both sides on the record. two top negotiators explain why side has the better cards to play right now and what their starting points say about the odds of getting a deal done. that should be interesting coming up. >>> and then did you see this video of israel killing the top military commander of hamas? now they may be open warfare in that region. oil prices are spiking on this developing story. we'll take you live to the story. stay with us. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. when we got married. i had three kids. and she became the full time mother of three. it was soccer, and ballet, and cheerleading, and baseball. those years were crazy. so, as we go into this next phase, you know, a big part of it for us is t
this? no. we should point out that the negotiations are being very closely held. i mean this is boehner, paul ryan, cantor and pelosi, reid, key members there, this is like two groups, they are not briefing their conferences much. they are not going out there and telling people what they are doing. these are private negotiations. from what i understand, they are pretty active private negotiations. this is where we are right now. again, we should point out based on everything i know, no deal until after thanksgiving. and by the way, then it becomes key. this is really interesting. if you don't have a deal after thanksgiving, think about what m cos next -- think about what comes next, you have christmas holiday shopping, that's a huge time for retailers, if people think they are going to get taxed, a fiscal cliff scenario where all the tax rates go up, every single bracket goes up, right, are people going to spend money? that's a real question. liz: we have a guest coming up to talk exactly about that. we will ask him that question. >> yeah, and i think this clock really starts ticking af
? >> there are active negotiations. i don't think john boehner is sitting there, nancy pelosi is on the other end going no tax increases for the rich. i don't. lori: is creating another sequester. >> just wish it out a little bit? melissa: bigger, batter. -- badder. >> if they kick it down the road, to the tax rates stay in place? lori: that wasn't addressed. we need to exhale, lest the new congress come in and just -- >> the new congress is a lot like the old congress. lori: give policymakers a break because we're still so he did. >> the last downgrade did not matter much. this downgrade could, who knows, but i am saying we can n could o longer have a split rating the u.s. would be below aaa, and that hits the initial contract operate differently. world market might become a little bit more unglued. i will say this, based on that list what we heard late last week summerlike compromisers can make it do feel that bowles and simpson are in the middle of that. they're about compromise, it cutting a deal in getting through this. so we will see. melissa: charlie gasparino, thank you so much. >> can only giv
to every debail of his plan. house speaker, john boehner, wants to keep all the bush tax cuts in place. he's starting to talk about closing up tax loopholes. conservative pundit and weekly standard editor bill kristol said it's time for republicans to come so some sort of compromise. >> conservative movement has to pull back, let people float new ideas, let's have a serious debate. don't scream and yell when one person says it won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i don't think. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer? >> cnn's senior congressional correspondent dana bash is live for us in washington, d.c. what do you make of his comments? >> soledad, look, bill kristol is not an elected official. he doesn't get a vote. but he is a very influential gop voice here in washington. and around the country. and for him to tell republicans it wouldn't kill to them to agree to tax increases for millionaires. it's a big deal. and we heard some similar talk from republicans who do have a vote like senator bob corker. listen to thi
to bottom here. it's just that there's not as many. >> if you saw a headline, boehner-obama to agree to long-term solution, you would hit buy first on com? >> we no longer have to worry about rising above? >> i think we'll see that as a joke. >> only up 3% to 5% between now and tuesday. that's not their focus. >> i understand. >> but remember when germany went down, when the german forces went down. those are countries that are dominated by rich people. a lot of those companies are plutocrasies. i think when their market went down, they said holy cow, maybe we ought to do something, maybe monty ought to get together, our country t.a.r.p., that first vote, i think people said, okay, i'm going to have to work the rest of my life, there goes my 401(k) and the congressmen rise above. i hope it doesn't take that. i hope it didn't. >> we do have some media news today, viacom is out with some numbers. >> viacom is not as bad as i had feared. the market numbers down about 6% for the company which is perhaps a little bit better than might have been expected. if you take a look over the last few weeks
, house republicans are saying john boehner is saying we will do revenue from tax reform but must be accompanied by meaningful tax reform so two different messages. congress is back in session after a hiatus for the election season. mitch mcconnell meeting with the new republican senator in that body, democrats and republicans returning to capitol hill and on friday the big meeting, president obama, congressional leaders start talking fiscal cliff. cheryl: they need to get going. thank you, live at the white house. dennis: labor leaders love president obama but can he bring business leaders in? we meet with ceos tomorrow and trying to get republicans to compromise. republican senator and minority whip roger wicker of mississippi joins us from the capital. president obama says his reelection means we will tax the rich. democrats, republicans say they are old and the house meaning we won't raise taxes on any one. are you two side going to blow this and what let happen? >> i hope not. there is room for compromise. but i don't think labor leaders are going to get everything they want
cuts for social security, medicare and medicaid. john boehner says we will talk more tax revenue in an overall tax system but we won't discuss without entitlement reform. that is the key for republicans. they will do tax revenue but it has got to be part of an overhaul of the tax system and has to involve medicare, medicaid and social security. exactly what, folks. but white house don't want to. melissa: leaders in d.c. are scrambling to figure this out but our first guest says he really does fear we're going to hit the fiscal cliff. think of while e. coyote and the acme parachute. scott hodge is president of the tax foundation. you are well known for innovative ideas on tax policy. in the 1990s you campaign to include a child credit in capital gains tax cuts. what is your best idea this time around? >> the best idea right now is for everybody to take a deep breath and pumped into next year. all the tax cuts should be extended for one more year to give congress and the white house some extra time to get off of their political posturing and make a rational deal between them. this
think they've already agreed to that. you heard john boehner say that already. we've had voteses in the senate where we've gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think that the vast majority of measures agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem and that's uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. >> i think if the house stands for anything, it's cut government spending as tom coburn said and i think we'll have to do more of it. we heard the mandate in 2010 where it was a clear mandate cut spending and we did, we cut $900 billion in spending that he can't like painful tos us. >> we'll continue our call to rise bol politics and make a deal. oufr guests this morning include mike jackson and also david zaslav. and the head of maris group. and douglas holtz-eakin. >> let's talk about eurozone finance ministers meeting to discuss whether to release a new tranche of fund to go greece. the leaders are not expected it to okay the funding despite greec
in congress are another. they have to come together. speaker boehner said he's willing to entertain more revenue. the president should take him up on that offer and they ought to come together and find some way through this. the republican party has got to take a good luook at what its future holds but a good start will be coming together to solve this problem. >> governor, nancy pelosi of course out this morning says she's going to run again for some leadership in the congress. is that a signal that the white house is going to remain more partisan perhaps than some hope? >> actually, i don't think so. you know, nancy pelosi was the one who produced the votes for the financial bailout. you all recall that. there weren't republican votes even when president bush proposed it and secretary paulson. nancy found the votes. nancy is good at finding the votes out of our progressive wing and the president will need votes from our progressive wing and nancy is a good person to do that. >> we'll see how things go down this afternoon and later in the week. governor, lanhee good to see you back. don
boehner said i don't want to put anybody in a box, they don't want to have some framework out there the markets are going to get all concerned about. but inside wall street, different analysts and investment houses are saying they're not certain that a deal is -- the kind of deal that wall street wants is going to actually get done. so that's still something to really be concerned about. a lot of comparisons going on in the debt ceiling debate of 2011 that started all this. that was a very hard time for investors. and for the public. now something that's a little more fun, faster and cooler, motor trend car of the year, this was a really cool tesla model "s" all-electric plug-in luxury car. the first time an electric car has been elected. eleven finalists. and this was a pretty solid field. the ford fusion, porsche 911. the hyundai azera and the editor at motor trend said at its core the tesla model "s" is simply a damned good car you happen to blug in to refuel. seats seven. in part because it doesn't have a big, bulky combustion engine. average 74.5 miles per gallon equivale
can tell you that the guys in the house and boehner, they really want to do this, this limiting deductions, limiting loopholes, raising effective rates, but lowering nominal rates. they want to do it that way but the president may say no and those guys in the house will say no and we might, it might happen. >> it might, but look, this is a leadership moment. we have a a leader who now has second term. he's a president. he's a fascinating individual in many respects. he's part of the problem. >> what gives you any indication he'll lead in this case? >> maybe he'll wake up to the fact that he has a chance to cut through the polarization and leave a winning legacy. this is his chance to rise above. give him a button. >> there you go. thank you for that, steve. we have more ahead from steve. coming up, we're going to talk about several stocks on the move ahead of the opening bell. we'll get down to "mad money's" jim cramer. "squawk on the street," jim cramer right after this. sometimes investing opportunities are hard to spot. you have to dig a little. fidelity's etf market tracker
of the fact that they're worried about what's not going to happen. after the election, boehner came out, thought he'd move some, and then obama came out the next day, and in the early part of his speech, he looked good. and all of a sudden he starts digging in. if you look at what the stock market did, it immediately dropped. came back a little bit that day, but immediately dropped. that's what's in people's minds and it's scaring the heck out of them. we have to have some solution. >> when we look to europe, it's a very similar scenario. we have all these issues revolving around greece and maybe to a lesser extent, spain, and it seems about the same dynamics. that it isn't results oriented, it's idle the car and hope things get better while you're sitting in there, hunkered down. >> that's absolutely the case. they have been spinning their wheels. fortunately for us, we've gotten away from the european situation, somewhat. because it looks like our economy can gain some traction. but it's immediately going to grind to a halt if we don't see something. >> you know, there's one area, the
.6 would be 1.5 to 1, when he was with boehner, 800, wanted another 4. >> you were in the room so you know. >> first of all, since we talk about bowles-simpson so much, bowles-simpson has a 1:1 ratio. >> it doesn't. >> i thought it's 1:4. >> it's 1:3. >> in the way the bowles-simpson frame was put out something people didn't realize was that in terms of the revenue number they weren't counting the expiration of the high income tax cuts which they proposed to get rid of. apples to apples, in terms of the way people are currently adding up their math, it's approximately a 1:1 ratio. >> erskine bowles said you should look at 3:1 in terms of spending cuts to revenue. >> i'm just saying what was in bowles-simpson. >> let's not forget about growth, we need to stimulate growth and a lot of it on the innovation side. >> david thank you, appreciate it i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ . >>> welcome back, everyb
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